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come blast off in my time machine

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blast off

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on another episode

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of hero paranormal podcast

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broadcasting from the base at la madre

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mountain just south of area 51 my name

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is ryan the original outlaw of the

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airwaves bringing you an epic episode

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today we are delving into well one of my

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favorite

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um i have been itching to have a

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conversation with this gentleman for as

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long as i can remember since i started

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the podcast

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it is

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just awesome that he has agreed to talk

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to me he is a real wife men in black uh

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in every sense of the word i believe

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in so much as his work with area 51 as

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well as his work with the office of

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special investigations of the air force

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we are talking about none other than

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mr richard doty

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a real nice guy too

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dodie admits to having had a hand

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in leaking classified documents such as

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the majestic 12 dossier

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he has uh

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been

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into a lot of secret things

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a lot of secret a lot of secret

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conspiracies

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very involved with paul benowitz and the

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dulce new mexico underground base case

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this seems like the kind of thing you

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would discuss that has something to do

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with a movie like some grand you know

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ufo mib movie it's a tricky area

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it really depends on what side of the

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fence you're on

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and i'm just on the side of this fence

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of truth

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as far as the cia's psychological

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strategy board which was founded after

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the second world war to promote u.s

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government agencies have

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had a different story to tell to the

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masses

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than what is actually going on now sadly

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a lot of people have

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discarded richard doty

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because you know he's come forward and

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said yeah i lied to the public well

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guess what this is

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what government agencies and government

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officials are

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paid to do it's your job you know and

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someone that does their job well is

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going to do their job well

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richard doty is really one of those

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characters who has uh seen it all he

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does believe alien contact has been

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established and i'm gonna go ahead and

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ask as many deep questions as i can if

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nothing else

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we will know more by the time we're done

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than we know now

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a real pleasure to talk to richard dodie

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i'm so excited to talk to him i am

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he's a genuinely nice guy who i

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appreciate i appreciate his forthright

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ever since he was asked to speak at the

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2019 laughlin megacon ufo conference

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he's the subject of a lot of controversy

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if you haven't seen miragemen he is in

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that i believe that's on netflix uh we

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are going to delve deeply into all kinds

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of stuff office of special

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far be to for me to have favorites and

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play favorites but it is one of my

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favorite organizations within our

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they deal with a lot of weird happenings

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and the way that they relate to the

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public should not really

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be held against them because the public

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is not always readily available

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ufologists would

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a lot of people don't even believe in

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ufos so we we have to really you know

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look at this with broad strokes

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it's a it's a complicated matter he's a

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very intelligent individual with all the

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credentials to prove

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what he is saying and i think that his

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voice needs to be heard so without

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further ado richard dodie welcome to the

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hero paranormal podcast can you hear me

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yes i can hear you now oh great great

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it's it's such a pleasure to talk to you

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um i i have so many questions

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most of which i'm sure you can't answer

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but yeah i have ever since i initiated

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my podcast i have wanted to talk to you

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you've been at the top of my list

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i really respect uh you know the

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i think that i really respect the work

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and the reason i say that is um you've

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influence and connection to the ufo

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community but you also worked for the

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office of special investigations which i

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believe exists uh for a good reason uh

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to defend the nation

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um protect the department of the air

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force and find the truth of a lot of

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things and we have to remember that

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ufology is a large group of people

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and they're not all great they're not

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all bad but there's a lot of factions

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and it's important that you know the

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personnel and resources of the

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government have some kind of pulse as to

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what's going on and that was your job in

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a lot of ways wasn't it

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yes yes it was it was

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the ufo community is a strange world

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the true believers you have the

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the um mild skeptics

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you have the hard-nosed skeptics

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and then you have some that are just in

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the information they don't provide much

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they just wanted to want to listen to

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i couldn't agree more there's a lot of

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online fraudsters

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and uh some of them some of the

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information could be dangerous and i

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think that's what a lot of people don't

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there is a shift happening in ufology

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while you know there are claims anytime

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you hear government disinformation agent

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seemingly seen as a bad thing yet

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of these secrets about possible

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extraterrestrials

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this this can throw the world into a

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tailspin and we've seen this in the past

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with the world war of the world's

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radio show coming out and people

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literally throwing themselves out of

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you know how do you disseminate what

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information or at least in in your past

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how did you disseminate what information

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dangerous

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to the united states of america

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well um first of all when you you

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talk about the uh ufo community you

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you're talking about a wide range as i

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there's a lot of skeptics and there's a

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uh people within the ufo community are

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what i just call backstabbers

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or their information

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they're going to criticize you they're

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going to downplay you

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and they're going to

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outright in some instances try to

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phil class said it best

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lakefield class was a hard-nosed skeptic

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uh and he says he said at a ufo

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convention

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you people do more

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than i could ever do from outside and

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that's true you see it today

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and um i of course went into uh uh

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working for uh the institute for

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advanced studies that dr put off for a

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conventions listening to what they're

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saying and then i try to contribute but

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when i came out and tried to contribute

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i i was trying to spread the word i was

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that the united states government

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another since 1947.

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now uh i was briefed into the program in

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uh i wasn't told everything uh obviously

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1979 pertain to everything we knew from

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other people out there are going to say

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oh no we knew a lot more before that

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anything before 1947.

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so i was trying to present what i knew

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and what i had access to and what i

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could talk about

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to the ufo community

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and what i was careful

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not to disclose anything that was

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i didn't disclose sources or methods

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uh and so i was careful i didn't want to

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jeopardize any national security

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all i wanted to do was let the public

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uh the government knew

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where i could talk about what i could

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and that's what i did

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and i brought uh in a number of other

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people who came out of the woodworks so

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to speak and spoke at ufo conventions

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about the same things that i knew

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and so if you listen to some of the

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things other people have said

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uh everything i've said over the years

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it wasn't disinformation i've never

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tried to just inform anyone after i left

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government service of course during my

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my duties i mean i i did what i was told

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to do when i when and how i was told to

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i was involved with going all the way

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back to the paul benowitz incident or

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the cowardly canyon incident

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i followed those plans they were all

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drew up in washington at dia

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or osi headquarters i did what i was

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told to do during those investigations

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did i disinform people back then yes

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did i did i conduct

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uh

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we don't call them disinformation

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operations call called

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counterintelligence operations did i

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call did i uh work

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uh counterintelligence operations

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against the public yes i did that

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but there were reasons i did that

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but now i'm out and i don't have to

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follow any rules my nda is is expired

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years ago i'm not going to

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disclose anything that i feel is still

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highly classified or

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uh that could jeopardize the security of

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the united states so

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any questions in that realm i'm not

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going to be able to answer

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but everything else i can talk about i

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can talk about the operations that

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i was involved with the paul bennowitz

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incident the mirna hanson incident

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the uh

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i was stationed out of groom lake or

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area 51 the things i did out there i

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i've spoke about a number of them on

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gaia i have

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about 25 episodes on gaia you can go

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back and listen to the cosmic disclosure

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with emery smith and what i've said

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have i since been visited by anybody

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with the intelligence community yes

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a few years ago the fbi paid me a visit

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because i mentioned something

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where i

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and i shouldn't have mentioned it

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about a particular operation

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uh the fbi just asked me

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about it i told him i shouldn't have

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said it and uh it was left at that they

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they were going to prosecute me anything

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they just

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uh

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a kindly warning

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that i shouldn't touch that subject and

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i'm not i

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have not since discussed that there's

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other things that are sensitive within

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the f12 community

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or uh information that's sensitive

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uh to the

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to the public

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we learned a lot from evil one who was

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found in

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the crash site at cronin

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i had access to some of that information

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but certainly not all of it

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some of the things he talked about

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having visited earth thousands of years

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ago

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uh the government had had uh carefully

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uh planted his time frame from

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uh

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where he was talking about

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and what he did back and what his race

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of people did back in and and two

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thousand years ago

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and and then created a story or created

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what the government thought was accurate

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now you have to remember that evo one

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was a uh

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an extraterrestrial from another planet

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he didn't know our time

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uh meaning that he didn't know uh

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how we record time

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or how we uh uh

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steady time

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or how we handled the time so

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he he can't tell he couldn't tell us

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okay you know five years ago i did this

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or ten years ago because our years and

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their years are totally different

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but we were able to sort it all out

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and there's some things that he told us

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that might upset the public

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if you were as for instance if if if

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somebody was to tell you that

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two thousand years ago an

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extraterrestrial an extraterrestrial

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race

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planted a man

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or a or et on earth

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and there were people following

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that e.t

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and he was somewhat of a prophet

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you could uh

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think that that

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entity was jesus

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so

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uh i'm not saying that happened but i'm

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saying things like that

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i don't

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i know something about but i wouldn't

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want to come out and say hey you know uh

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i know all about our history i'm not

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going to say that and eve told us all

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these things i'm not i wouldn't i

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wouldn't do that and there are other

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people out there that have done

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something to that effect uh

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linda howell and some others but

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i'm not going to do that i'm not going

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to talk about what what uh technology

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that we we got or or uh we developed

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from

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extraterrestrial races and i talk about

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that that would might jeopardize the

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national security anything else

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i probably will answer i appreciate that

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rick and i appreciate your service i

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think it's very important especially in

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this field anybody that's serious about

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ufology would appreciate your service

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because these are

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threatening ideas um there is a

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psychology that is in ufology that can

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be potentially dangerous and threats

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as well not to mention that other

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world powers could easily

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easily delve into the culture of ufology

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and gather a lot of information if

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people weren't careful

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as you're saying you are so i appreciate

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your service

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thank you

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and it's a very specialized service that

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you've done invaluable in my opinion to

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ufology

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one thing i find without and if if i do

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go over that

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that boundary or that

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line in the sand forgive me because as i

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said previously a lot of the questions i

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want to ask i know i can't but they may

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trickle out just just ignore them or put

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me in my place

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it's i think it's important at least

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from an outside perspective what i can

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say that the office of special

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investigations if i'm not mistaken began

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in 1948 so

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right after corona

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the incident at roswell as many know it

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and

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involved since then has been very

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interested in espionage terrorism and

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technology transfer um

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without going into the technologies

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uh

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the i i recently heard um some some

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people talking about roswell and corona

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and it's it's become something that a

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lot of people are starting to kind of

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dismay or

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act like

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it was not a big deal but it really was

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a big deal wasn't it oh yes yes yes

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roswell

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i was briefed i saw a film

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i had

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an air force colonel explain

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uh how we became and we united states

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government became involved

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with an extraterrestrial

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uh by by recovering

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the craft near corona new mexico the

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debris trail that was south of there on

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the brazil ranch

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uh the second craft that was found in

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1949

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the recovery of a live e.t

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they named it evil one yeah i was

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briefed on all that and

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um

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there's there's a lot of people out

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there that have taken a little bit of

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information

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uh about what happened

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in roswell and expanded it

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over the years into nothing but uh

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uh either some speculation or some

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outright lies there's a lot of

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information that came out over the years

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about the crash

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that is not factual

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um

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the debris field that was found at the

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brazo ranch was the antenna

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on the craft that crashed near corona

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the craft at that was recovered in krona

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uh was found by an archeological team

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i think

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uh the late stan friedman

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um

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spoke

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quite passionately

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about

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his knowledge of the crafts crash site

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and he got everything right because he

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actually was able to find the leader of

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that acrological team

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uh and and and spoke with that man

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before he died

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and that information was in a couple

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books but people brush it off saying no

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no no that didn't happen

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uh because i wrote a book and i didn't

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say it in that book so it can't have

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chat

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it couldn't have happened but it did it

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happened that way

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and so

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uh and then we found the the live uh e.t

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eva won

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we took him

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uh eventually to the last alamos where

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he lived

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and so that that is that is if the real

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story if people would listen to the real

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story about roswell

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uh it would make a

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incredibly

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different uh

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ending or

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or

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beginning

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to the ufo story

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and then the second craft that crashed

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that they found in force mesa west of

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coral mexico brought that west of

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magdalena new mexico

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was the same craft that crashed at

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cronin exactly same same ets obviously

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all those eps were dead it was in such a

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remote area of new mexico that took a

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long time for him for anybody to find it

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a rancher found it

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and and that's that's even that's

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another story

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uh so

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if you

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if the ufo community would accept the

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real story which a lot had a lot a lot

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of people within

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and then progress on from there

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there's a number of other crash sites

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that occurred

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recovery of crafts recovery of ik bodies

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and even some live ones

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so

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um

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and and and you were right

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the the air force's office special

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investigation

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or back in those days was called the

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office of special investigation was

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created in 1948

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right after roswell

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right after the air force was created

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the national security act of 1947 in

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september 1947 created the cia the air

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force

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and some other some other agencies

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and the osi was uh

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created right after the fbi i mean right

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the first director of the of the fbi of

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the cia osi was a

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loaned fbi agent they loaned him to the

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to the air force he created the

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uh the

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osi

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went to the fbi school

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um right up until the first osi academy

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was started in 1952

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and so we were framed after the fbi

579
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:23,200
now another thing that people don't

580
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:24,240
realize is

581
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:25,679
the osi

582
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:28,799
yes special investigations i worked

583
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:29,679
uh

584
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:31,600
didn't report

585
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:33,919
to a local commander

586
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:37,840
or a a a a a division commander

587
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:40,880
or a wing commander they reported to the

588
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:42,640
inspector general of the air force in

589
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,240
washington dc

590
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:46,320
so that left them away from any command

591
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:48,000
influence

592
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,440
and uh

593
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:51,440
and and then there were different areas

594
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:55,120
of osi criminal uh

595
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:56,880
the criminal branch investigated any

596
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:58,960
major crimes on a on the middle and air

597
00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:00,559
force installation or any military

598
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:01,760
installation

599
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:03,919
uh fraud investigation and then

600
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:05,919
counterintelligence

601
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:11,520
it was that way created in 1966 when

602
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,600
they reframed osi

603
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:15,840
and right up to the one i joined

604
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,640
i i wasn't a criminal agent i didn't

605
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:20,799
handle any criminal investigations or

606
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:22,480
fraud investigations

607
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:23,919
my sole

608
00:23:28,669 --> 00:23:26,880
job in osi was counter intelligence

609
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:28,679
encounter which encompassed

610
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:30,480
counter-espionage

611
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,679
so that's all i did i didn't investigate

612
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:35,280
drugs on the base or anything like that

613
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:38,000
i was strictly counter intelligence now

614
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:39,440
we had the same

615
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:40,640
authority

616
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:43,679
uh which was under a a federal statute

617
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:46,080
but i never i mean although at times i

618
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,320
did carry a gun i didn't do anything

619
00:23:53,070 --> 00:23:50,640
other than counterintelligence

620
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:53,080
so i i dwell

621
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:55,600
exclusively in in counterintelligence

622
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:58,000
county s manager my time and that's

623
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,880
where

624
00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:00,240
the duties

625
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:02,240
of of uh

626
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:03,600
investigating

627
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:06,000
ufos or uaps

628
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:07,760
uh became

629
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,440
they came into to to my purview is is

630
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:13,360
under the countering tele intelligence

631
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,720
duties

632
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:16,720
and i find that very impressive

633
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:19,039
organizationally that the osi functions

634
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:20,720
the way it does because a lot of

635
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:22,799
government agencies as you said they're

636
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:24,559
you know they're they're

637
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:26,320
organized differently

638
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:28,480
um so

639
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,799
not only is there more hands in the pot

640
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:32,880
but it could get it can get murky

641
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:35,679
quicker um i i really appreciate that

642
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,400
you know you you had uh basically the

643
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:40,880
job of a multi-purpose job of covering

644
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:44,640
things and then correcting things and um

645
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:45,840
from a

646
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:48,159
intelligence perspective i think it's

647
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:51,919
important to also note that there is

648
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:54,799
you know this stigma which i'm i'm i i

649
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:57,120
completely understand revolving around

650
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:58,880
paul benowitz and the dual say-based

651
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:59,760
case

652
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:01,600
however

653
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:02,480
there

654
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:08,720
experimental aircraft silent helicopters

655
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:11,440
for example which we have publicly it's

656
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:13,760
been publicly declassified at this point

657
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:15,840
for example used um

658
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:18,480
to infiltrate osama bin laden's

659
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:21,520
i mean they had to blow that evidence up

660
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:23,600
on site and there's good reason for that

661
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,159
because if the enemy has

662
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:28,480
some or all of this

663
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,000
technology we are at a huge disadvantage

664
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,559
so i i completely understand that i

665
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:36,559
think uh even though i want to get into

666
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,360
the

667
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:39,679
dulce case and paul benowitz which i

668
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:41,440
know many people have before if people

669
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:42,880
are interested in that there's plenty of

670
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:45,919
podcasts where um we can go and you can

671
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:48,240
get into that and do some research

672
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:49,679
uh i i

673
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:52,000
i believe that you did the right thing

674
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,640
in in my opinion um also i i think it's

675
00:26:02,470 --> 00:25:58,799
i i have other questions which uh i'm

676
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,480
very involved or i i like to be involved

677
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:04,559
with research surrounding

678
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:06,000
you know stuff happening in the high

679
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,799
desert ranches in utah etc

680
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:11,039
and you know it's hard to interpret a

681
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:13,360
lot of the things going on

682
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:15,600
and i don't know if you can

683
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,200
even go into this

684
00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:19,279
but cattle mutilations are something

685
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,840
that the ufo belief system has

686
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:24,720
um

687
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:25,440
in

688
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:36,960
new mexico by gabe valdez and others and

689
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:39,600
the many different cases

690
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:40,640
and

691
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:42,880
types of cattle mutilations is there

692
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:45,360
anything you can offer our listeners as

693
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:46,559
far as

694
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:48,159
information

695
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:51,200
that revolves around that

696
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:53,520
uh well i was never briefed in any kind

697
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,480
of special access programs pertaining to

698
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:58,799
cattle relations um

699
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,919
i knew they existed uh we actually had

700
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,360
some reports

701
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:05,120
made to us

702
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:07,840
uh in the early eighties about some

703
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,080
cattle emulations that occurred just

704
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:12,240
right outside the perimeter of kirtland

705
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,480
air force base a rancher had

706
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:16,640
uh i think four

707
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:19,520
uh we had two cows and uh

708
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:20,399
then two

709
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:21,760
uh sheep

710
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:23,360
uh mutilated

711
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:26,960
um and i didn't i didn't go to those uh

712
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:27,919
uh

713
00:27:32,830 --> 00:27:30,799
scenes another osi did

714
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:32,840
but i saw the pictures and i read his

715
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:36,240
report and it was kind of uh

716
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:38,080
the strange part about it

717
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,240
again i didn't investigate this i'm only

718
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:42,960
relating what i've read in an official

719
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:46,640
osi report and speaking to this agent

720
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:49,279
the uh the rancher observed something

721
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:51,200
strange flying around

722
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:53,360
the southern part of his ranch

723
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:57,200
uh earlier uh that morning

724
00:28:01,029 --> 00:28:00,080
and he had a big ranch and so in his

725
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,039
ranch

726
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:03,120
buttered right up against the the south

727
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:06,159
perimeter of the carolina air force base

728
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:07,120
and so

729
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:08,720
uh he would

730
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:10,960
travel the base perimeter fence line

731
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:12,080
which was

732
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,200
also his fence line

733
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:17,520
from where he saw this object flying

734
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:20,000
around he assumed it was military

735
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,480
because the base was right there uh

736
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,240
helicopters were always flying around

737
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,640
kirtland air force base because at that

738
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:29,279
time it was home to the 1550th aircrew

739
00:28:32,750 --> 00:28:31,760
training and test wing which encompassed

740
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:32,760
uh

741
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:36,320
h-53 helicopters c-130s

742
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:37,120
so

743
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:39,919
he assumed it was a helicopter when he

744
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,159
uh some hours later when he went up to

745
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,480
check that area he found

746
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:46,240
the mutilated cattle

747
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:48,159
and the first thing he thought was

748
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:50,720
it was connected to the military

749
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,960
the military must have did this to my my

750
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:54,080
cattle

751
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:57,679
so he actually wanted to make a claim

752
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,840
eventually an os agent went out there

753
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:01,679
looked at it the pictures

754
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:02,640
uh

755
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:04,559
assured him that the air force didn't do

756
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:05,600
this

757
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,200
well who did it

758
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:09,200
we don't know i don't know

759
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:10,399
i've

760
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:15,679
many many many many many times for hours

761
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:17,200
and hours and hours

762
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:25,029
it's a amazing enigma

763
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:28,720
uh i watched the uh linda howell special

764
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:31,120
on the cattle mutilations i spoke with

765
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:32,559
her

766
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:35,279
a number of times about what she did

767
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:37,760
during her investigative process

768
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,559
i talked to sheriff uh etwood

769
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,320
one of the sheriffs

770
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:44,559
in the northern new mexico county

771
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:46,880
uh and uh

772
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,640
you know you have to scratch your head

773
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:50,799
on

774
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:52,960
could it be

775
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:57,440
form and experimentation that the

776
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,960
extraterrestrials doing on our cattle

777
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:03,200
uh or could it be some

778
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:06,000
uh testing of germ warfare

779
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:07,679
by the united states secret entity

780
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:09,600
within the united states government

781
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:12,080
i can honestly say i don't know

782
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,120
um i think if i did know i would

783
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:17,600
uh i would probably i could probably

784
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:18,320
uh

785
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:20,559
not talk about it but i don't really

786
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:23,679
know i don't know if it was if it was

787
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:25,760
government it was our government doing

788
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:26,640
it

789
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:33,120
but i don't know

790
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,080
i i i truly don't know i i became

791
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:38,640
fascinated with a subject uh some years

792
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:41,840
ago after i left uh government service

793
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:42,880
and uh

794
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:45,360
and worked for uh dr put off

795
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:47,760
because there were cases that uh was

796
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:49,600
brought to his attention that were very

797
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,840
very very strange

798
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,520
and uh

799
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:55,760
and we couldn't we couldn't answer it

800
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:58,320
now you you talk about uh skinwalker

801
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:59,200
ranch

802
00:31:02,310 --> 00:31:01,600
uh the the phenomena that occurred out

803
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:02,320
there

804
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:04,960
when i worked for dr put off in 19

805
00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:07,919
uh and i worked for him for 12 years uh

806
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:11,919
in 1997 we went out there to the ranch

807
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:13,840
uh on two different occasions i spent

808
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:15,039
two days

809
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:17,120
two full days left the third day on one

810
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:20,320
occasion and we came back and did

811
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:22,960
basically the same thing two days and

812
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:25,840
the third day in the evening we left

813
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:28,720
during my time at skinwalker ranch

814
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:31,120
the only phenomena i saw

815
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:34,240
was when you looked at that south mesa

816
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:35,600
there were

817
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:37,919
something some kind of aura that was

818
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,279
appearing

819
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:41,279
but one of the geologists that was with

820
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:42,080
us

821
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:47,039
rocks and the minerals and i'm not a

822
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:48,159
geologist

823
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,200
that were were in that that mesa

824
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:53,760
i never saw any skin walkers i never saw

825
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:57,279
anything out of the ordinary while i was

826
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:59,039
in those two occasions

827
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:00,960
so all i can say is

828
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:03,519
there's a lot of things out there that

829
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:04,640
uh

830
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:07,039
we don't understand i mean there's

831
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:09,039
me we as i mean

832
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,960
the scientific community

833
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:12,559
or the public in general there's a

834
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:13,600
there's so many things that are

835
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:15,679
occurring out there that we just don't

836
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,960
understand

837
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:18,399
another thing i want to talk about real

838
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:21,200
quickly you talk about technology

839
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,799
is one of the things that that paul

840
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:25,200
bennowitz stumbled onto

841
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:27,440
was the united states air force

842
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,840
uh highly secret at that time drone

843
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,440
program

844
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,600
uh in 1980

845
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:35,440
we were experimenting with drones the

846
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:36,720
air force was

847
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:39,200
we had a counterintelligence program

848
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:42,159
in place to protect that drone program

849
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:44,480
and back in those days

850
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:45,440
uh

851
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:46,880
the drones

852
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:47,679
were

853
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:49,360
somewhat sophisticated and i couldn't

854
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:50,960
tell you what they were made of or

855
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:52,320
anything like that

856
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,559
but there were there was always launch

857
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:56,480
from another plane

858
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:58,960
so if you if you see a plane air force

859
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,279
plane flying around the base or in the

860
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,440
area you see these little

861
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:05,600
drones flying around close to it and

862
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:07,279
that's what paul saw

863
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:10,320
and paul thought those drones were ufos

864
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:12,080
of course we made them believe they were

865
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:13,600
but in fact they weren't they were

866
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,039
drones

867
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:17,760
and they were controlled by the mothers

868
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:19,600
and that's how uh

869
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:21,279
that's what paul

870
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,799
stumbled into now jump ahead

871
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,240
to uh

872
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:29,039
2004 in eminence that

873
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:32,960
2019 the roosevelt incident and and you

874
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,720
put that all together

875
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:36,240
nowadays

876
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,039
we have highly advanced drones

877
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:41,360
uh not that i have any knowledge of of

878
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:43,519
exactly uh

879
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,519
how they operate

880
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,440
but i tell people this

881
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:49,600
if you want to see

882
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:52,080
some really strange objects flying

883
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:53,840
around the sky

884
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,880
spend

885
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,880
a week or two on the perimeter of nellis

886
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:58,720
test and training range

887
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:01,120
and watch uh near tunnel par air force

888
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:03,519
base or new near groomed lake but any

889
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:05,679
place outside the perimeter you'll see

890
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:07,919
things flying around there that will be

891
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,200
will look you

892
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:11,040
and and what they are most of them are

893
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:14,320
drones they're highly classified drones

894
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:15,679
and uh

895
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:17,599
we did this and there's a documentary

896
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:19,040
that's going to come out in some some

897
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:21,919
time we had to stop the documentary

898
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,599
stock because of the uh the covid but

899
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,280
there's going to be one documentary

900
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,679
coming out about this subject

901
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:31,520
probably next year

902
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:32,960
it's going to answer a lot of questions

903
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,320
but it's also it's going to create a lot

904
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:36,240
of questions so that's what i want to

905
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:37,919
say about the drones

906
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,639
but going back to skidwalker ranch

907
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:42,720
i never personally saw anything strange

908
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:45,119
out there i know others have

909
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:47,280
uh you know i respect everybody's

910
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,399
opinion

911
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,560
uh but when i was out there i never saw

912
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:52,639
anything strange

913
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:54,320
that's that i appreciate that

914
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:57,599
information and we um i really respect

915
00:35:02,230 --> 00:34:59,680
the work uh of hal put off and the work

916
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:02,240
you did with them as well i i had the

917
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:03,760
the blessing to

918
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:06,400
um hear him gosh a few a few years ago

919
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:09,040
at a um sse conference

920
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:11,520
and it's absolutely mind-blowing as you

921
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:14,160
said what is coming down the pipe

922
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,119
technologically so um a new world is

923
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:19,440
definitely emerging in that

924
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:23,040
arena um i also wanted to um

925
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:24,800
thank uh while we're on air a good

926
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:26,800
friend of mine eric who i know you've

927
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:30,160
spoken with and he um he he kind of told

928
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:31,760
me the same thing that if you go out to

929
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:33,760
these areas of the desert around nellis

930
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,040
etc that there is an amazing amount of

931
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,599
uh stuff going on so that's that's

932
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:41,520
really cool that um

933
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:42,400
that

934
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:46,160
me an opportunity to speak with you and

935
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,560
i appreciate that as i said a lot of the

936
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:50,079
questions i have for you i know you

937
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:52,880
can't discuss um where do you see

938
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:55,599
ufology going this year and then maybe

939
00:36:03,109 --> 00:35:59,520
two three years down the road

940
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:03,119
well there's an effort and disclosure

941
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:05,760
going on right now and i i'm involved in

942
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:11,589
congressmen and

943
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:13,839
in the house side and some senators

944
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:16,400
on the senate side uh

945
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:18,160
i i have had

946
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,280
contact with

947
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:21,599
senator rubio he's quite interested in

948
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:22,640
the subject

949
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:25,680
as are others other senators

950
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:28,560
including uh some from my home state

951
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:30,000
in new mexico

952
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:32,240
uh senator heinrich

953
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:34,320
and there's

954
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:35,920
the problem

955
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:37,760
in the disclosure

956
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:39,119
arena

957
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:41,599
is what i just occurred

958
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,200
uh congressman

959
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,599
uh having an open hearing

960
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:47,280
bringing in two people within the

961
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:49,040
government

962
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:50,800
who and and they fully admitted they

963
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,440
were never briefed into everything

964
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:55,280
they were only briefed into a certain

965
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,680
segment of the subject

966
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:59,119
they didn't know anything about the

967
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:01,280
historical aspect

968
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:03,119
of the ufo program

969
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,320
uh

970
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:06,800
this there was congressman and asked him

971
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:09,280
specific questions that they couldn't

972
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:10,400
answer

973
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:11,839
now

974
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:20,230
you have to be able to bring someone in

975
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:23,520
that is fully briefed into the program

976
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:26,000
government wise

977
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:27,920
and i i know they're not going to be

978
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:30,079
able to talk about everything they're

979
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:32,480
not going to disclose technology

980
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:35,200
sources and methods

981
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:36,240
and things like that they're not going

982
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,560
to do that now

983
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:40,880
we saw the open hearing

984
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:43,200
and there was a there's a closed hearing

985
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:44,720
and everybody wanted to know what's

986
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:47,200
going on in the and in the clothes here

987
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:49,040
they're going to talk about

988
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:51,599
et's and no they didn't they all they

989
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,119
talked about in the close hearing and

990
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:55,280
i'm not going to go into details but

991
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:57,119
they're going to they talked about

992
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,359
sources and methods that the united

993
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:01,200
states government has

994
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,480
that can detect flying objects there's

995
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:06,480
certain advanced technologies that we

996
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:07,280
have

997
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:08,800
there's advanced technologies and

998
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:10,000
aircrafts

999
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:13,359
uh that are classified in the in the uh

1000
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:14,480
uh

1001
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:23,040
instrument panel and they're classified

1002
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,920
the if identification friendfold neutral

1003
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,000
system within an aircraft

1004
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:30,720
is is classified and

1005
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:32,320
i don't know if you know what that means

1006
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:33,680
but

1007
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,079
iffn is a system that the government

1008
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,920
united states government uses to

1009
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:39,200
identify

1010
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:41,040
an identification

1011
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,400
whether it's a friend a foe or a neutral

1012
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,400
there's certain systems and i'm not

1013
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:48,320
going to go into them i know i'm but

1014
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:50,800
they're classified so

1015
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,400
all our fighter planes uh our bombers

1016
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:56,000
have this system

1017
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:57,680
so if we're flying

1018
00:39:03,349 --> 00:38:58,480
uh

1019
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:03,359
some area and they detect an aircraft on

1020
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,320
radar they immediately can

1021
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:08,720
in a method used to detect whether that

1022
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:11,200
plane is another air force plane or a

1023
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:14,400
u.s navy plane or a marine corps plane

1024
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,119
or a civilian airliner or a

1025
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:19,520
piper cub

1026
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:22,480
in comparison to a russian aircraft or a

1027
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,440
chinese aircraft or a swiss aircraft or

1028
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,440
a swedish aircraft which would be

1029
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:29,520
considered neutral so we have those

1030
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:31,280
advanced systems

1031
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:32,079
so

1032
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:33,760
when a plane is up

1033
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:38,079
uh say for instance an f1 f1 f18a

1034
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,280
f-18 a navy plane which was discussed in

1035
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,960
the international hearing

1036
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:44,400
that plane had

1037
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:47,040
the ability to detect

1038
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:49,760
whether those objects those those

1039
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,200
pictures or those things that they saw

1040
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:55,200
was

1041
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:56,880
faux or neutral

1042
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:59,599
well they couldn't detect whether it was

1043
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:01,200
any of those

1044
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:03,280
so that meant it was something else we

1045
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:05,200
don't know what it was well

1046
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:06,960
i think now somebody came out and said

1047
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,520
ah there were drones swarm of drones out

1048
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:11,440
there that are

1049
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:12,240
we

1050
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:13,839
another entity within the government's

1051
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:17,119
testing and so forth uh so

1052
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,880
those are the things that they're they

1053
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:20,640
discussed in a closed meeting now they

1054
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:22,960
probably discussed other things such as

1055
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:25,440
how the soviets or how the russians or

1056
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:27,040
how the chinese could be doing the same

1057
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:28,240
thing

1058
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:31,040
but i don't know and i had somebody tell

1059
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,079
me this

1060
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:34,079
somebody was in a closed session

1061
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:37,680
there was nothing taught no discussions

1062
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:39,359
occurred regarding

1063
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:41,440
uh ets or

1064
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:44,240
or ufos or anything like that so

1065
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,920
that's and i'm sure there's some other

1066
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:47,680
things that were discussed in the closed

1067
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:48,640
session

1068
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:51,280
so um

1069
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:54,240
the future of of ufology

1070
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:55,680
has to be what

1071
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,560
you know our government makes it

1072
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,480
now we can put pressure

1073
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,119
by electing officials who are more open

1074
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:05,440
to the subject now we have a election

1075
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,319
coming up here in 20 in november and

1076
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:10,560
another one in 2024.

1077
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:11,440
um

1078
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:14,400
and i'm not political at all i mean i i

1079
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:16,960
you know i stay away from that arena

1080
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:19,200
but there are a lot of people out there

1081
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:21,280
that have uh

1082
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:23,119
the experience in this

1083
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,480
in this realm

1084
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:26,160
of ufos

1085
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:29,200
and maybe maybe not officially

1086
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,119
but they want the subject out there they

1087
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,680
want to be told the truth

1088
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:35,680
and so far the government hasn't told us

1089
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:36,800
the truth

1090
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,319
in order for us to get ufo ufology

1091
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:42,720
on the same plane with a disclosure

1092
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,760
process

1093
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:45,359
we have to get

1094
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:47,200
congressmen

1095
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:48,480
senators

1096
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,240
uh governors

1097
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:52,800
and even in people within the the

1098
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:56,079
executive branch the president and vice

1099
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:58,240
president open to the subject of

1100
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:00,240
disclosure and i don't think we have

1101
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:02,560
that right now so in three years from

1102
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:03,599
now

1103
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,680
if we're on the same path that we are

1104
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:07,200
now

1105
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:09,760
nothing

1106
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:12,319
the fact that we know

1107
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:13,760
there's so many people out there know

1108
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,079
the truth especially people like myself

1109
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,240
who have been in the government i mean

1110
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:20,480
i have

1111
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:23,119
i'm in a society of retired intelligence

1112
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:24,240
officers

1113
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:25,839
we used to have a lot and they're dying

1114
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:26,640
off

1115
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:29,359
unfortunately some old-timers that know

1116
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:30,400
about this

1117
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:31,839
i've been talking about old-timers i

1118
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:34,000
mean within the cia

1119
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,240
and within nsa

1120
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:38,480
uh that could uh blow the top off this

1121
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,960
but nobody wants to listen to them and

1122
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:42,400
they don't want to jeopardize their

1123
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:45,119
pension

1124
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:47,119
those we have to get those people on

1125
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,240
board

1126
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:50,800
to really come out and sit at a open

1127
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,319
hearing

1128
00:42:56,829 --> 00:42:54,720
and tell them tell congress what they

1129
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:56,839
did and what they

1130
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:59,520
know i have a friend right now who works

1131
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:00,880
for the dia

1132
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:02,960
he works he's still he's in the d.i.u

1133
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,400
right now defense intelligence agency

1134
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:08,319
he told me uh when uh i was in

1135
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,800
washington a few weeks ago or some weeks

1136
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:12,960
ago some months ago excuse me

1137
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:18,309
i wish they would come to me and ask me

1138
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,200
about

1139
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,280
what the government knows

1140
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:23,520
he says i got six filing cabinets behind

1141
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:25,599
me with information that would blow the

1142
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:26,880
story open

1143
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:28,960
but they won't let me share that so

1144
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:31,359
that's just one example of one person

1145
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:33,680
within one office of dia

1146
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,440
that has the knowledge and has the

1147
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:37,599
documents to prove it

1148
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:42,000
there's many within cia uh

1149
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:44,720
james ramirez just came out uh not long

1150
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:49,119
ago a retired cia officer who who speaks

1151
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:52,319
about it and what he knows about his job

1152
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:55,200
there's a another man uh not as well

1153
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:56,079
known

1154
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:57,839
uh who was a uh

1155
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:02,790
a national security agency

1156
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,240
uh plotter

1157
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:06,560
at a remote radar site

1158
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:07,440
uh

1159
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,480
he spent

1160
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,560
11 years sitting

1161
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,560
in front of a screen watching these

1162
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,160
strange objects

1163
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:16,240
listen to fighter pilots

1164
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,040
and other uh aircraft and other ground

1165
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:21,599
controllers talking about these strange

1166
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:23,359
things that are coming into our

1167
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:26,000
atmosphere that we can't identify

1168
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:27,920
and he did this for 11 years back in the

1169
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:31,280
70s and 80s and

1170
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:33,839
what were they what were these things uh

1171
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:37,520
he tracked something that came from um

1172
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:38,880
from the area

1173
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:40,000
of the moon

1174
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:42,079
into our atmosphere

1175
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:44,800
circle earth and the land take off and

1176
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,680
goes and went right back there now in

1177
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,599
that time period it could not possibly

1178
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:51,680
have been anything from earth

1179
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:53,040
where'd it come from

1180
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,800
he told the story of the ufo convention

1181
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,960
people were like scratching that but you

1182
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:58,480
know that's

1183
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:59,760
those things

1184
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:01,599
are real

1185
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:04,800
we are we've really been a visited

1186
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:07,359
we've really had contact

1187
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:09,040
but with the government having

1188
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,760
congressional hearings like they did

1189
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,520
uh where they're very careful what they

1190
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:15,520
say or how they say it

1191
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:18,480
the disclosure process or the disclosure

1192
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:20,079
of the subject's never going to get out

1193
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,920
there

1194
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:23,599
yeah and it's it's

1195
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:25,359
so important to

1196
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:28,560
escape that clamor because people people

1197
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:31,200
people get so riled up

1198
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:32,800
and i think when you get past that

1199
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:33,920
illusion

1200
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:35,680
there is um

1201
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:38,079
there there was a well

1202
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:41,200
not not to mention names but i i spoke i

1203
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:43,760
i was part of that clamor for a while

1204
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:46,319
because i just figured oh we should know

1205
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:48,000
everything there is to know everybody

1206
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:49,839
regardless of top secret clearance or

1207
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:51,839
not should just be told everything there

1208
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,880
is to know and that's just not the way

1209
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:56,480
this works

1210
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:57,599
um

1211
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:01,280
i it took an old timer from maryland to

1212
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,319
literally sit me down and explain to me

1213
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:06,880
that there is a very real darkness in

1214
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:08,000
this world

1215
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:11,359
and uh you have to protect the american

1216
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:14,480
people the citizens of the world from

1217
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:16,880
some of these dark forces

1218
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,680
and uh when it's when it was pounded

1219
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:21,599
into me that way

1220
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:22,560
i i

1221
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:26,640
became more open-minded in a way to um

1222
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,720
why some of these secrets take a while

1223
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:30,640
to eventually come out

1224
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:34,319
and um bringing that up um when hal and

1225
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:37,599
kit pass on which uh and i'm talking

1226
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:40,000
eventually this will happen

1227
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:42,880
um do you believe that um more of these

1228
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:50,069
well let me say first uh

1229
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:51,520
people who have never worked for the

1230
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:54,880
government doesn't doesn't understand

1231
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,520
what a special access program is or what

1232
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:59,760
what compartmentization is

1233
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,720
um

1234
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:02,880
i would and for an example i worked at

1235
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:05,920
area 51 there were four osi agents

1236
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:08,880
working in an office we had cubicles

1237
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:11,119
four of us and we had a boss

1238
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,000
and uh he had his own office

1239
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:16,880
and each one of us worked on

1240
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:19,040
special access programs

1241
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:21,040
but i didn't have access

1242
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:23,520
to what the agent across the hall from

1243
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:24,960
he had

1244
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:26,240
or

1245
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:27,359
from the one

1246
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:28,880
that sat above him

1247
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:31,040
uh that's compartmentalization

1248
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:32,720
we everything is compartmented now

1249
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:35,280
unless i had some reason

1250
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:37,760
uh to have access to it i wouldn't have

1251
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:39,440
access to what he was doing and he

1252
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,599
wouldn't have access to what i was doing

1253
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:42,960
that's just an example of what

1254
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:45,520
compartmentization is within a special

1255
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:47,040
access program

1256
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:51,910
another thing somebody asks me is there

1257
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:54,720
somebody that knows everything

1258
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:55,839
um

1259
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:58,400
probably not

1260
00:48:01,990 --> 00:48:00,000
there are segments

1261
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:02,000
like of a pie

1262
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:03,760
if you take those pieces out and set

1263
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,480
them

1264
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,480
away from that pie

1265
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,720
there's no way they're going to connect

1266
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:10,480
now if you put them all back in that pie

1267
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:11,359
tin

1268
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:13,200
now they're going to be able to talk and

1269
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:14,480
and connect

1270
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:16,960
but the the special access program is

1271
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:19,280
very careful to keep those pieces of pie

1272
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:21,359
away from the piping

1273
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:22,240
so

1274
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:23,280
uh

1275
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:25,520
there is a person right now

1276
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:27,760
is he he's a brigadier general

1277
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:29,920
in the united states air force

1278
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:31,920
his last name is abba

1279
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:34,000
abba

1280
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:35,200
um

1281
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:38,480
that uh and and uh anybody that knows

1282
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:41,520
any arabic knows abba means

1283
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:44,240
a truth in in arabic anyways that's his

1284
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:44,960
name

1285
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:47,760
he is in charge of all the special

1286
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,760
access programs

1287
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:51,839
but i i dare say he probably doesn't

1288
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,480
know what every program is

1289
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:56,319
that's just an example

1290
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:57,520
so

1291
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,390
nobody knows everything

1292
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:04,160
and so therefore

1293
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:05,040
uh

1294
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:07,280
the information the question you ask

1295
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:08,960
is over the years can some of this

1296
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,880
information get out

1297
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:12,720
absolutely

1298
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:14,000
because

1299
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:15,440
some people don't want to carry it to

1300
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:17,839
their death beds i sat

1301
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:19,599
in a room i didn't actually interview

1302
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:22,240
them i sat in a room

1303
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:23,599
where a person

1304
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:25,760
who had a great deal of knowledge about

1305
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:26,960
this subject

1306
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:28,079
was dying

1307
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:29,119
he

1308
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:31,440
had

1309
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:33,040
terminal cancer

1310
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,200
uh it was towards the end of his life

1311
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:39,599
he was able to talk

1312
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:42,079
it was just before he went into a coma

1313
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,119
and into hospice but there were there

1314
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:47,280
were three people around over the course

1315
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,000
recording what he was saying

1316
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:52,240
and he worked for the cia

1317
00:49:54,430 --> 00:49:53,280
and

1318
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:54,440
i was there uh

1319
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:57,280
[Music]

1320
00:50:01,589 --> 00:50:00,079
probably uh maybe i should go into how i

1321
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:01,599
was there but anyways

1322
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:03,920
i listened to him talk

1323
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:06,640
and he took he told us his knowledge

1324
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:09,040
he told those people and they recorded

1325
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:09,760
it

1326
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:11,119
and

1327
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,440
the people that were recording this not

1328
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:15,599
all of them were cleared

1329
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:18,079
so that is one way

1330
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,800
that information is leaked of course

1331
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:22,880
the cia officer that's dying the

1332
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:24,079
executive

1333
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:27,280
dead now this is some years ago he's not

1334
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:30,559
he's not alive to explain or confirm

1335
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:33,040
anything that person said to to

1336
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:35,920
reporters or to other people

1337
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:38,800
slowly it leaks now when kit is very i

1338
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:39,599
mean

1339
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:42,559
green is is a very very very good friend

1340
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:43,599
of mine

1341
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:46,079
uh for a number of reasons

1342
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:47,680
we worked

1343
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:49,839
within uh

1344
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:51,760
we worked on a highly

1345
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:54,960
classified highly dangerous

1346
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:57,359
uh counter-espionage operation in europe

1347
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:00,160
get nine and it was ken and i

1348
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:02,880
i relied on him he relied on me

1349
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:05,440
and so uh we developed the friendship

1350
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:06,839
that was uh

1351
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:10,240
everlasting and as of today i i talk to

1352
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:11,359
him

1353
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:13,920
you know not daily but

1354
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:16,800
anytime i need to i i i call him or we

1355
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:19,920
chat on a signal which is a secure uh

1356
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:21,200
system on

1357
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:22,960
on the internet

1358
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:25,280
um hal is the same way hal is a very

1359
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:27,280
very good friend of mine i don't have as

1360
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:30,079
much contact with hal as i did before

1361
00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:31,680
but during the 12 years i worked with

1362
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:34,000
him he worked in darpa on tarp

1363
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:36,160
operations i had a security clearance i

1364
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:38,079
worked on a lot of things that were i

1365
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:39,920
can't ever talk about

1366
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:42,480
because it's proprietary or it's highly

1367
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:45,760
classified does it have to do with ufos

1368
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:48,559
yes that's about all i can say

1369
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:50,480
so when they pass away

1370
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:53,280
i hate to think the time that they do

1371
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:55,040
i think that there's probably some of

1372
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,400
that information that's going to be

1373
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:58,480
leaked out

1374
00:52:01,670 --> 00:52:00,160
thanks for answering that that's that's

1375
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:01,680
a big deal yeah because they are

1376
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:03,440
brilliant minds as well

1377
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:06,160
as all the work you've done

1378
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:10,240
a question that i wanted to ask you is

1379
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:12,240
lou elizondo there's a shift happening a

1380
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:15,119
lot going on with the ttsa

1381
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:17,280
what do you believe the real purpose of

1382
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:20,640
the ttsa is and maybe how is lou

1383
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:22,960
elizondo's role today

1384
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:24,640
different from your role in the past

1385
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:29,680
regarding ufo uap related content

1386
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:33,520
well i know lou i've spoken with lou

1387
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:34,800
um

1388
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,000
i i have no idea what he did

1389
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:40,240
i mean there's a lot of conjecture about

1390
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,800
what he did what he was in charge with

1391
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:44,319
and what he wasn't

1392
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:46,000
there's a big youtube video now that

1393
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:48,160
just came out that said you know he

1394
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:49,599
didn't do what he claimed he'd done i

1395
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:51,040
don't know i'm not going to get in all

1396
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:54,319
that uh lou has a lot of knowledge

1397
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,119
about what happened and what uh what he

1398
00:53:02,309 --> 00:52:59,040
did during his time

1399
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:02,319
he knows a lot of things

1400
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:05,119
about the subject matter that i know

1401
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:08,319
um he knows he was briefed into a

1402
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:09,839
program not the same program i was

1403
00:53:13,829 --> 00:53:11,839
briefed into but he was briefed into a

1404
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:13,839
program that pertained to the same

1405
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:14,880
subject

1406
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:17,280
that i was briefed into

1407
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:18,000
so

1408
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:18,960
i think

1409
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:20,079
uh

1410
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:21,520
he has a

1411
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:26,559
they were more involved

1412
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:27,440
with the

1413
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:29,119
setting up

1414
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:31,280
this congressional hearing than than my

1415
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:32,400
group was

1416
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:33,280
um

1417
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:34,079
we

1418
00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:36,240
worked somewhat together but not real

1419
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:37,599
closely

1420
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:42,400
aligned to the senate hearings which

1421
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:45,119
will come up later um

1422
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:46,240
this year

1423
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:48,160
than the congressional hearings

1424
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,800
i think we're more involved with that

1425
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:52,079
and i don't know if it's going to be any

1426
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:53,440
different i don't know who the

1427
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:55,520
government's going to put up there but

1428
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:56,640
but uh

1429
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,079
lou is a uh

1430
00:54:01,510 --> 00:54:00,240
he's a crusader you know

1431
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:01,520
uh

1432
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:04,720
everything that that he did outside

1433
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:07,839
the uh the the ufo a-tip

1434
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:11,599
um everything he did uh as a as an army

1435
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:13,920
officer uh one officer

1436
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:18,240
uh his role in afghanistan and iraq has

1437
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:19,200
been

1438
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:21,040
thoroughly vetted and it's

1439
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:23,440
everything he said is absolutely true i

1440
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:26,319
thank him uh for the service to the

1441
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:27,359
country

1442
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:30,000
uh i i he saw combat

1443
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:32,880
i certainly never saw combat in my time

1444
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:33,680
uh

1445
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:35,599
i mean i was in some

1446
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:37,760
serious situations but never combat

1447
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:39,920
anything like that so i thank him for

1448
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:43,119
his service he's a dedicated person

1449
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:45,680
um and i but i don't know

1450
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:47,760
i can't get in his mind i don't know

1451
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:49,920
what he did what he didn't do i hear

1452
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:52,640
people bad badmouthing all the time

1453
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:55,119
i i if i don't know something about

1454
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:56,079
somebody

1455
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:57,680
personally i'm not gonna you know

1456
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:00,400
discuss or align myself with somebody

1457
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:03,040
that is saying bad things or even good

1458
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:03,920
things

1459
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,880
so i think lou has an agenda his group

1460
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,240
has an agenda

1461
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:10,480
i wish him the best of luck in it

1462
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:11,599
um

1463
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:13,680
i don't know his real

1464
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:16,079
uh place within atep

1465
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:17,839
i mean there's other things

1466
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:20,079
the advanced uh

1467
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:24,160
technology area of atip which apparently

1468
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:27,359
uh was the real reason that atip got

1469
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:30,000
started i've heard it from an air force

1470
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:30,960
colonel

1471
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:33,040
uh who is now in our aligned with our

1472
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:35,520
group uh who told me

1473
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:36,400
um

1474
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:38,799
atip was a cover

1475
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:39,680
uh

1476
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:42,000
and and he directed me to something

1477
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:44,880
uh pertaining to delay senator harry

1478
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:46,160
reid

1479
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:48,400
and i wish i could go into that right

1480
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,190
that's going to come up soon and when

1481
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:55,440
that information comes out

1482
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:58,000
uh it's going to open it up

1483
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,680
it's going to open the pandora's box

1484
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:01,280
believe me it's going to open to

1485
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:02,960
pandora's back

1486
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,880
and it's going to set the story straight

1487
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,400
about at

1488
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:08,559
these other programs and it's also going

1489
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:11,280
to bring up another program that has

1490
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,079
never been mentioned yet so uh it's

1491
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:16,319
going to happen i just i can't talk

1492
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:17,920
about it now

1493
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:19,839
because i think it's still classified

1494
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:22,240
but it's going to happen

1495
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:24,640
i appreciate you answering that question

1496
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:28,319
and um another question that is

1497
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:30,640
a little bit off topic and one that that

1498
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:32,480
um

1499
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:34,960
it mesmerizes many in the ufo community

1500
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:36,799
i know we're wrapping up here

1501
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:39,280
is if charles hall really did see the

1502
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:41,839
tall whites at nellis in the 60s

1503
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:43,359
and whether or not you're able to

1504
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:53,670
i've heard that

1505
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:57,510
i'll say this way there's a special area

1506
00:57:01,589 --> 00:57:00,640
and north west of papua's lake it's

1507
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:01,599
called

1508
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:03,920
s2 annex

1509
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:05,359
and of course everybody knows about the

1510
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:07,200
s2 and s4 from

1511
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:09,280
from uh bob lazar

1512
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:11,440
uh we don't have time to go into all

1513
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:14,559
that but there's a place and you and you

1514
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:17,280
can actually google this on a map

1515
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,559
and it shows a facility there

1516
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:22,559
and uh

1517
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:23,359
what

1518
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:27,200
according to

1519
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:28,880
now i was never briefed into this

1520
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:31,599
program let me let me preface

1521
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:34,720
but according to that location

1522
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,160
uh that was where ets that we obtained

1523
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:40,480
captured or found

1524
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:42,799
were housed

1525
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,079
and how many ets did we have

1526
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:48,720
we probably had a good number and again

1527
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:50,240
there's a whole story behind this i

1528
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:52,000
don't have time to go into

1529
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:54,640
but the reason that was remote

1530
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:55,599
uh

1531
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:56,640
one of the things that people don't

1532
00:58:01,829 --> 00:57:59,920
realize is if if we had et's coming from

1533
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:01,839
different star systems they were all

1534
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:03,359
were biologically different than the

1535
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:05,040
other so they had they breathed

1536
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:05,920
different

1537
00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:08,319
atmospheres they had to be cared for

1538
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,079
differently and so that's why they had

1539
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:12,400
that facility anyways

1540
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:15,599
um and i can i can email that to you uh

1541
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,750
we i i believe

1542
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:25,440
hall's uh

1543
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:26,880
a story

1544
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:28,640
now i don't know i wouldn't certainly i

1545
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:30,799
wasn't i was just kid back in the 60s so

1546
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:34,880
i i can't i can't talk about what he saw

1547
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:37,119
but i know people that were there during

1548
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:40,319
the 60s one being gene lakes one being

1549
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:42,400
paul mcgovern their names are prominent

1550
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:46,960
within you and with with uh uh area 51

1551
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:49,440
uh george knapp george norris

1552
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:50,640
interviewed him

1553
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:53,920
they were in fact there these guys

1554
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:54,640
and

1555
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:56,799
they talk they confirm

1556
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:59,119
a lot of what law said not everything he

1557
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:00,480
says

1558
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:03,359
but a lot of what he said

1559
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:05,839
the only problem with what paul said and

1560
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:07,359
what

1561
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:09,280
mcgovern said

1562
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:11,359
is that

1563
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:14,480
the description of the et's

1564
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:18,000
paul describes them as tall whites

1565
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:18,880
uh

1566
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:20,880
palmer government described

1567
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:23,760
as something different than tall whites

1568
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:26,400
and that's that's really all i know i

1569
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:27,680
mean

1570
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:32,789
it coincides with a lot of information i

1571
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:34,640
know

1572
00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:37,040
great answer and um you're you're here

1573
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:40,000
answering uh many questions for me i

1574
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:41,680
appreciate that

1575
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:44,720
the other question i have is

1576
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:47,680
sort of a strange one um the the ufology

1577
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:49,119
world seems to have a very short

1578
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:52,720
attention span and you have

1579
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:55,119
you have kind of uh

1580
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:57,280
weathered the storm you've been in this

1581
01:00:01,750 --> 00:59:59,440
for a long time

1582
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:01,760
and

1583
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:03,520
my question is

1584
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:05,680
this this is probably crossing the line

1585
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:06,799
a little bit

1586
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:10,470
some things

1587
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:12,960
as far as disclosure what areas of

1588
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:16,240
ufology or the et related subject matter

1589
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:19,040
do you feel are better left secret and

1590
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:25,270
any technology advanced technologies

1591
01:00:29,589 --> 01:00:27,760
that we obtain from

1592
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:29,599
extraterrestrials

1593
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:31,359
flight technologies avionics

1594
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:32,960
technologies

1595
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:38,150
anti-matter

1596
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:39,599
systems

1597
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:43,200
i think that stuff

1598
01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:44,880
is uh is

1599
01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:47,839
needs to be classified in special access

1600
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:49,920
programs and stay there

1601
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:51,920
they should never be disclosed

1602
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:54,400
they would jeopardize national security

1603
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:56,880
uh can you imagine if if putin could get

1604
01:01:00,150 --> 01:00:58,880
a hold of what we know about this

1605
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:00,160
subject matter

1606
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:03,520
uh or or china or some other enemy north

1607
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:04,480
korea

1608
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:05,599
um

1609
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:08,000
so no that that area

1610
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:10,480
has to be uh left alone

1611
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:12,160
uh but just the mere fact that we've

1612
01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:13,440
been visited

1613
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:14,720
uh

1614
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:17,839
that's not a that that's not classified

1615
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:18,960
i mean there's

1616
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:20,559
millions and millions of people have had

1617
01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:22,880
contact in one way or another and know

1618
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:25,280
that that's truthful there's thousands

1619
01:01:30,069 --> 01:01:26,720
of people that work for the government

1620
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:30,079
and access and knows it's truthful so

1621
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:32,319
the government keeping that from us is

1622
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:34,240
ridiculous but

1623
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:36,319
technology advanced technology things

1624
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:37,920
like that

1625
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:40,160
now right now recently somebody

1626
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:42,240
disclosed some things on the internet

1627
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:44,640
which uh about spartan

1628
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:47,839
uh project spartan and project zeus

1629
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:48,640
uh

1630
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:52,880
you know if if that all that information

1631
01:01:57,750 --> 01:01:54,640
about technology

1632
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:57,760
uh got out uh

1633
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,200
that would jeopardize our national

1634
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:01,440
security so we i wouldn't i wouldn't be

1635
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:02,720
for any of that

1636
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:03,680
yeah

1637
01:02:07,029 --> 01:02:05,119
and um

1638
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:07,039
it that i think that's such a good point

1639
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:09,599
you bring up about other countries with

1640
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:12,880
more authoritarian government systems uh

1641
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:14,640
coming across this technology and they

1642
01:02:18,710 --> 01:02:17,039
are dangers to the planet in my opinion

1643
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:18,720
um just because they have an extremely

1644
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:21,680
flammable type of politics

1645
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:24,079
which is evident in in

1646
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:25,200
many ways

1647
01:02:31,029 --> 01:02:28,240
i i think it's amazing that um we are

1648
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:31,039
blessed enough in this country to have a

1649
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:33,599
system that yes the capstone seems to

1650
01:02:36,349 --> 01:02:34,960
not be there

1651
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:36,359
with the um

1652
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:38,559
compartmentalization of a lot of this

1653
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:40,720
intelligence but it's a system that has

1654
01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:42,799
been proven to work

1655
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:45,680
and it's a system that's been proven to

1656
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:47,119
provide

1657
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:49,920
protection to not just our country but

1658
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:52,880
the world and uh the world is a it's a

1659
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:54,880
broken world and

1660
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:56,960
you know it seems sometimes that the

1661
01:03:01,589 --> 01:02:58,720
united states is the only light in the

1662
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:01,599
room so i really appreciate

1663
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:04,000
your service i really appreciate all of

1664
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:06,000
the information

1665
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:07,920
um as far as

1666
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:08,799
uh

1667
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:11,920
et mysteries going on that's going to

1668
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:13,920
lead us to more disclosure i think in

1669
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:15,680
the long run you you're you're

1670
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:17,440
definitely taking the high road where

1671
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:19,200
everything is concerned and i can't

1672
01:03:23,910 --> 01:03:20,480
thank you enough for coming on the

1673
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:23,920
podcast um rick where can listeners keep

1674
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:25,920
up with your work as you said you you've

1675
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:27,359
been doing quite a bit of work that's

1676
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:29,200
going to be coming out pause due to

1677
01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:30,960
covet where can they keep up with you

1678
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:32,880
and support your efforts

1679
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:34,240
uh

1680
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:36,960
i work for co i work for gaia and i

1681
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:39,520
suggest that uh

1682
01:03:43,349 --> 01:03:41,200
viewers uh

1683
01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:43,359
sign on the gaia

1684
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:46,559
and watch my programming on

1685
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:49,760
cosmic disclosure that's a

1686
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:51,280
program

1687
01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:52,480
on gaia

1688
01:03:56,950 --> 01:03:54,559
that deals with the paranormal

1689
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:56,960
extraterrestrials

1690
01:04:01,109 --> 01:03:59,760
i've done probably over 25 episodes with

1691
01:04:02,069 --> 01:04:01,119
emory smith

1692
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:02,079
they're going to learn a lot from

1693
01:04:07,589 --> 01:04:04,799
listening to my episodes i'm going to do

1694
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:07,599
a brand new season starts in the fall

1695
01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:10,160
so i'm going to be recording uh some new

1696
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:13,039
some new things uh pertaining to uh

1697
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:17,119
my my time within talking about specific

1698
01:04:21,750 --> 01:04:20,960
uh uh operations that i can talk about

1699
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:21,760
so

1700
01:04:26,789 --> 01:04:24,960
uh my uh i always always welcome people

1701
01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:26,799
to uh email me

1702
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:30,640
i get probably 200 emails a week

1703
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:32,960
at rick rick

1704
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:34,720
doty

1705
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:36,160
166

1706
01:04:41,349 --> 01:04:38,640
msn.com

1707
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:41,359
i do get a lot of critic i get a lot of

1708
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:44,400
trash but as long as it doesn't trash me

1709
01:04:47,829 --> 01:04:46,799
if they ask uh legitimate questions i'll

1710
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:47,839
answer them

1711
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:50,720
uh but again and i get quite a few so it

1712
01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:53,200
might take a while to respond but i try

1713
01:04:59,430 --> 01:04:55,359
to respond to everyone even even the

1714
01:05:01,910 --> 01:04:59,440
critics if if it's if it's non profanity

1715
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:01,920
laced and and which i get a lot of those

1716
01:05:05,589 --> 01:05:04,000
two well not so much now

1717
01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:05,599
as i did before

1718
01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:06,799
but uh

1719
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:09,839
there's going to be uh some uh movies

1720
01:05:14,069 --> 01:05:12,640
coming out doc documentaries coming out

1721
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:14,079
two docs

1722
01:05:20,309 --> 01:05:17,440
uh and two uh fictional movies

1723
01:05:22,870 --> 01:05:20,319
that we filmed out in nevada we actually

1724
01:05:24,309 --> 01:05:22,880
one of the movies uh and there's a lot

1725
01:05:26,950 --> 01:05:24,319
left to be filmed

1726
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:26,960
i can't go into great detail on that yet

1727
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:29,280
uh we actually film on

1728
01:05:33,029 --> 01:05:30,480
uh

1729
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:33,039
within nellis testing training range

1730
01:05:37,990 --> 01:05:35,359
that we were allowed now we didn't we

1731
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:38,000
didn't go into area 51. we were a few

1732
01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:39,119
miles in

1733
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:41,599
uh away from the the contourment area of

1734
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:44,799
area 51. but we were actually filming on

1735
01:05:50,950 --> 01:05:46,799
uh area 51 we did that for like three

1736
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:50,960
days uh three and a half days and uh so

1737
01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:52,640
those will be coming out probably next

1738
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:55,119
year we there's other there's uh we

1739
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:57,680
gotta finish filming but uh

1740
01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:58,799
um

1741
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:01,359
that's where you're gonna be seeing me

1742
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:04,720
uh i'm i'm narrating some of that and uh

1743
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:06,640
in the fictional movie there's a

1744
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:07,760
character

1745
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:10,400
playing me and i'm not i'm not actor

1746
01:06:13,750 --> 01:06:12,720
it's not me but it's going to be a it's

1747
01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:13,760
going to be a

1748
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:16,720
a good a pretty good actor that plays

1749
01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:19,440
plays me thank you so much rick you

1750
01:06:22,789 --> 01:06:20,880
always seem to be at the center of all

1751
01:06:24,549 --> 01:06:22,799
things and uh something i heard from a

1752
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:24,559
friend of mine recently

1753
01:06:28,630 --> 01:06:26,720
um is you know if you're in the game

1754
01:06:31,349 --> 01:06:28,640
long enough eventually people are going

1755
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:31,359
to view you as the villain and what i

1756
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:35,119
think is most important is that you are

1757
01:06:38,789 --> 01:06:36,480
you know forget the haters you're going

1758
01:06:40,470 --> 01:06:38,799
to get haters but you are definitely

1759
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:40,480
after truth you're you're sharing

1760
01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:43,440
everything you can and um i i really

1761
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:45,280
appreciate everything that you've done

1762
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:47,760
not only for our country but continue to

1763
01:06:49,990 --> 01:06:48,640
do

1764
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:50,000
thank you so much for coming on the

1765
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:51,680
podcast today

1766
01:06:56,069 --> 01:06:53,520
brian it's been a pleasure talking to

1767
01:06:59,109 --> 01:06:56,079
you and thanks for those questions

1768
01:07:01,190 --> 01:06:59,119
man oh man i am as happy as can be about

1769
01:07:03,670 --> 01:07:01,200
that podcast

1770
01:07:06,069 --> 01:07:03,680
mr doty is someone i have wanted to talk

1771
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:06,079
to for a long long time i'd like to

1772
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:08,720
thank eric for uh kind of bridging that

1773
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:09,599
gap

1774
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:12,319
and making that happen

1775
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:16,000
there is um so much information that has

1776
01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:17,520
to be kept

1777
01:07:24,390 --> 01:07:19,680
tight to the chest when it comes to this

1778
01:07:25,829 --> 01:07:24,400
arena and with the recent situation

1779
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:25,839
worldwide

1780
01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:27,760
not only from a disclosure standpoint

1781
01:07:33,190 --> 01:07:30,079
but i mean the world is always at the

1782
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:33,200
brink of war it seems and if power goes

1783
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:35,520
into the wrong hands it won't be at the

1784
01:07:39,910 --> 01:07:38,400
brink of war it will be in full world

1785
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:39,920
war

1786
01:07:44,549 --> 01:07:42,880
so you just have to thank those that are

1787
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:44,559
literally on the firing lines of

1788
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:47,440
intelligence and they're keeping us from

1789
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:50,480
that point of destruction

1790
01:07:53,190 --> 01:07:51,680
there is

1791
01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:53,200
a shift happening and i think we're

1792
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:55,280
noticing that with all of the hearings

1793
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:57,760
taking place regarding ufo and uap

1794
01:08:02,549 --> 01:08:00,079
phenomena things are moving forward

1795
01:08:05,349 --> 01:08:02,559
let's just not jump the gun

1796
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:05,359
yeah i had many of my questions answered

1797
01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:09,359
by mr doty not just in forthright

1798
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:11,760
answers but also if it doesn't take a

1799
01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:13,280
whole lot of reading between the lines

1800
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:15,520
to get the general idea of what is going

1801
01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:16,799
on

1802
01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:19,199
what a guy i can't can't thank him

1803
01:08:24,149 --> 01:08:21,600
enough for being on and uh until next

1804
01:08:26,149 --> 01:08:24,159
time keep your eyes to the skies feet on

1805
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:26,159
the ground but don't forget to take a

1806
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:45,330
[Music]

1807
01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:53,349
blast off glassed off

1808
01:08:58,349 --> 01:08:56,319
come blast off in my time machine third